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 Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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and to quote a response by another poster to your answer:
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Here's the blunt truth, whether you like it or not: no medication can
force a person to act in a certain way. That is to say, this bullshit
about anti-depressants causing people to erupt in violence is, indeed,
total bullshit - because antidepressants are not capable of forcing a
behavior pattern.
stating that mind altering substances are not capable of altering the
mind, which controls behaviour, is quite unreasonable. |
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Jeff L
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Pixie wrote:
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i dont know jack shit about any celebrity, and i certainly never
stated what drugs they took, i am beginning to think this post wasnt
for me or you are deluded. (you should see a psychiatrist about
that!)
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You are one ignorant little shit, aren't you? This thread is in response
to spam by ignorant shill Brittany asserting that anti-depressants cause
people to develop violent tendencies. I'm merely demonstrating the false
logic of that position, which, incidentally, YOU ARE DEFENDING.
Regardless, the onus isn't on me to prove that her position is BULLSHIT,
it is on here to prove that it is valid. All she can and has been able
to do is link to a youtube clip purporting to be from a doctor and to
further spam her own blog in attempts to generate traffic for her
pathetic and ignorant website. |
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Jeff L
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Pixie wrote:
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On Apr 24, 8:40 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
hahaha not as ignorant as you, it doesnt take too much of a brain cell
to figure out if one is going to reply to a post, you hit the reply
button under the post you are RESPONDING TO! geez, maybe you should
review how to use ngs!
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No, I was responding to YOUR defense of the ignorant spammer who
produced this thread. Do you or do you not assert that antidepressants
cause violent behavior?
Pixie wrote:
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and you never cited any evidence that this assertion is false when i
asked you to, therefore you are not defending your position at all.
anyway, there is no "logic of her position" she was citing evidence,
something i havent seen you do.
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Demonstrating false logic doesn't require one to "produce evidence".
Pixie wrote:
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she cited evidence, you didnt. therefore you have to supply evidence
that her evidence is false through scientific studies of her theory,
um, which you didnt provide.
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The evidence she "cited" was her blog. That doesn't qualify as "citing
evidence".
Pixie wrote:
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well, thats one piece of evidence you didnt supply, isnt it?
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Invalid. A youtube clip purporting to be from a doctor is not a
reliable source. If she wants to prove her point, she needs to point
to published medical journals and peer-reviewed studies. Has she done
that? No. Hence, bullshit.
Pixie wrote:
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thats marketing babe, suck it up. surely you have seen marketing you
dont like before havent you?
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No, this is called "spam", and I'm quite sure her webhost would be
very interested in her usenet activities... |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 23, 8:56 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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On Apr 23, 10:51 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brittany wrote:
Did you know that most school shootings and acts of mass violence are
committed by people on antidepressants who showed no signs of violence
before being medicated? Go to
http://badpsych.com/2008/04/22/kids-on-drugs-antidepressants-and-rita....
to view more
The actual facts aren't on your side, sorry.
COOL you know this for a fact? tell us where you cite your facts from
then? also, the withdrawals of these medications can mess you up as
well as going on them. if this is your argument then perhaps people
that are suffering heroin withdrawals that create crime to obtain
their med should actually NEED to be medicated and its not heroins
fault at all that crime is committed its because they NEED to be
medicated!!! most heroin crime is not committed ON the drug, its
withdrawals when people need their fix.
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Fact: It was raining in Spain at the time "blah blah" shot his school
teacher.
Fact: The rain in spain caused "blah blah" to shoot his school teacher
Fact: Psychiatry has caused the demise of every civilization for the
last gazzillion years.
Fact: L Ron Hubbard is god.
Get the facts straight!
Rd00 |
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Pixie
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 24, 8:08 pm, renedescarte...@hotmail.com wrote:
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On Apr 23, 8:56 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Apr 23, 10:51 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brittany wrote:
Did you know that most school shootings and acts of mass violence are
committed by people on antidepressants who showed no signs of violence
before being medicated? Go to
http://badpsych.com/2008/04/22/kids-on-drugs-antidepressants-and-rita...
to view more
The actual facts aren't on your side, sorry.
COOL you know this for a fact? tell us where you cite your facts from
then? also, the withdrawals of these medications can mess you up as
well as going on them. if this is your argument then perhaps people
that are suffering heroin withdrawals that create crime to obtain
their med should actually NEED to be medicated and its not heroins
fault at all that crime is committed its because they NEED to be
medicated!!! most heroin crime is not committed ON the drug, its
withdrawals when people need their fix.
Fact: It was raining in Spain at the time "blah blah" shot his school
teacher.
Fact: The rain in spain caused "blah blah" to shoot his school teacher
Fact: Psychiatry has caused the demise of every civilization for the
last gazzillion years.
Fact: L Ron Hubbard is god.
Get the facts straight!
Rd00
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YOU GUYS ARE THE FUCKING IDIOTS ! WHY DO YOU HANG AROUND
ALT.RELIGION.SCIENTOLOGY (ARS) if you hate scientology (despite
whatshername saying she isnt a scientologist) ?? all of your fucking
posts are on that ARS ng!! what do you fucking expect to read about on
that ng if its not SCIENTOLOGY?? Or did you get confused and think
thats where all the ARSes hung out? get a fucking grip you trolls.
forget about spam, trolling isnt the most socially acceptable USENET
activities either. you are both full of shit. and spout it constantly.
you make more outrageous claims than this other person is as you are
making assumption about her motives, her assertions, etc etc etc. stop
hanging around alt.religion.scientology and boost your fucking
credibility.
and then Jeff whatshisname says mind altering meds arent mind
altering, you make more outrageous claims than this Brittany person.
maybe if you read other peoples written accounts of being on meds in a
medication support group you'd actually have a fucking clue what you
were talking about, for fucks sake, the pharmacies have already
admitted these things cause suicidal behaviour, are THEY LIEING TOO?
surely the pharmaceutical companies are part of scientology for
listing negative side effects! and anyway, you seem to LIKE
scientology you post on the god damn group constantly!
GO GET A FUCKING HOBBY! |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 24, 3:30 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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On Apr 24, 8:08 pm, renedescarte...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Apr 23, 8:56 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Apr 23, 10:51 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brittany wrote:
Did you know that most school shootings and acts of mass violence are
committed by people on antidepressants who showed no signs of violence
before being medicated? Go to
http://badpsych.com/2008/04/22/kids-on-drugs-antidepressants-and-rita...
to view more
The actual facts aren't on your side, sorry.
COOL you know this for a fact? tell us where you cite your facts from
then? also, the withdrawals of these medications can mess you up as
well as going on them. if this is your argument then perhaps people
that are suffering heroin withdrawals that create crime to obtain
their med should actually NEED to be medicated and its not heroins
fault at all that crime is committed its because they NEED to be
medicated!!! most heroin crime is not committed ON the drug, its
withdrawals when people need their fix.
Fact: It was raining in Spain at the time "blah blah" shot his school
teacher.
Fact: The rain in spain caused "blah blah" to shoot his school teacher
Fact: Psychiatry has caused the demise of every civilization for the
last gazzillion years.
Fact: L Ron Hubbard is god.
Get the facts straight!
Rd00
YOU GUYS ARE THE FUCKING IDIOTS ! WHY DO YOU HANG AROUND
ALT.RELIGION.SCIENTOLOGY (ARS) if you hate scientology (despite
whatshername saying she isnt a scientologist) ??
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First of all...
I do not hate Scientology.
And to prove it I am willing to have a discussion with you about any
part of the tech that you desire.
Your move...
Rd00
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all of your fucking
posts are on that ARS ng!! what do you fucking expect to read about on
that ng if its not SCIENTOLOGY?? Or did you get confused and think
thats where all the ARSes hung out? get a fucking grip you trolls.
forget about spam, trolling isnt the most socially acceptable USENET
activities either. you are both full of shit. and spout it constantly.
you make more outrageous claims than this other person is as you are
making assumption about her motives, her assertions, etc etc etc. stop
hanging around alt.religion.scientology and boost your fucking
credibility.
and then Jeff whatshisname says mind altering meds arent mind
altering, you make more outrageous claims than this Brittany person.
maybe if you read other peoples written accounts of being on meds in a
medication support group you'd actually have a fucking clue what you
were talking about, for fucks sake, the pharmacies have already
admitted these things cause suicidal behaviour, are THEY LIEING TOO?
surely the pharmaceutical companies are part of scientology for
listing negative side effects! and anyway, you seem to LIKE
scientology you post on the god damn group constantly!
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 24, 7:16 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Pixie wrote:
On Apr 24, 8:40 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
hahaha not as ignorant as you, it doesnt take too much of a brain cell
to figure out if one is going to reply to a post, you hit the reply
button under the post you are RESPONDING TO! geez, maybe you should
review how to use ngs!
No, I was responding to YOUR defense of the ignorant spammer who
produced this thread. Do you or do you not assert that antidepressants
cause violent behavior?
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WELL MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND, you just stated that:
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This thread is in response
to spam by ignorant shill Brittany asserting that anti-depressants
cause
people to develop violent tendencies. I'm merely demonstrating the
false
logic of that position.
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so which fucking one is it, are you responding to MY POST, or HERS?
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Pixie wrote:
and you never cited any evidence that this assertion is false when i
asked you to, therefore you are not defending your position at all.
anyway, there is no "logic of her position" she was citing evidence,
something i havent seen you do.
Demonstrating false logic doesn't require one to "produce evidence".
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she wasnt doing anything but posting a link someone may be interested
in, if YOU ARE NOT, IGNORE IT. SHE WASNT DRAFTING THE MAGNA CARTA. she
posted a fucking youtube link you nitwit.
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The evidence she "cited" was her blog. That doesn't qualify as "citing
evidence".
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so she posted a blog someone might be interested in, you are not, but
you have no right to say no one else is.
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Pixie wrote:
well, thats one piece of evidence you didnt supply, isnt it?
Invalid. A youtube clip purporting to be from a doctor is not a
reliable source. If she wants to prove her point, she needs to point
to published medical journals and peer-reviewed studies. Has she done
that? No. Hence, bullshit.
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SHE DIDNT ASK TO PROVE HER POINT SHE WAS POSTING A YOUTUBE LINK OR
WHATEVER, she posted a BLOG. she didnt enter into a debate on fucking
theory.
who the fuck cares if its bullshit, she has the right to post it and
others have the right to decide for themselves whether its bullshit.
you are not the fucking saviour of the human race.
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Pixie wrote:
thats marketing babe, suck it up. surely you have seen marketing you
dont like before havent you?
No, this is called "spam", and I'm quite sure her webhost would be
very interested in her usenet activities...
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yeah, perhaps trolling isnt looked upon too greatly either. especially
from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications arent mind
altering. thats bullshit too and we arent throwing your ass out Just
report her then and stfu! all this bullshit especially from some prick
that hates scientology and all his posts on usenet are on ARS, its
really a bit rich, throwing stones and glass houses come to mind.
report her and stfu. |
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Pixie
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 24, 8:08 pm, renedescarte...@hotmail.com wrote:
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On Apr 23, 8:56 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Apr 23, 10:51 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brittany wrote:
Did you know that most school shootings and acts of mass violence are
committed by people on antidepressants who showed no signs of violence
before being medicated? Go to
http://badpsych.com/2008/04/22/kids-on-drugs-antidepressants-and-rita...
to view more
The actual facts aren't on your side, sorry.
COOL you know this for a fact? tell us where you cite your facts from
then? also, the withdrawals of these medications can mess you up as
well as going on them. if this is your argument then perhaps people
that are suffering heroin withdrawals that create crime to obtain
their med should actually NEED to be medicated and its not heroins
fault at all that crime is committed its because they NEED to be
medicated!!! most heroin crime is not committed ON the drug, its
withdrawals when people need their fix.
Fact: It was raining in Spain at the time "blah blah" shot his school
teacher.
Fact: The rain in spain caused "blah blah" to shoot his school teacher
Fact: Psychiatry has caused the demise of every civilization for the
last gazzillion years.
Fact: L Ron Hubbard is god.
Get the facts straight!
Rd00
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you know what? I think you are right, antidepressants dont cause
school shootings (despite their increase in popularity) its idiots
like you that push people over the edge. surely. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 24, 3:45 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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On Apr 24, 8:08 pm, renedescarte...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Apr 23, 8:56 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Apr 23, 10:51 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brittany wrote:
Did you know that most school shootings and acts of mass violence are
committed by people on antidepressants who showed no signs of violence
before being medicated? Go to
http://badpsych.com/2008/04/22/kids-on-drugs-antidepressants-and-rita...
to view more
The actual facts aren't on your side, sorry.
COOL you know this for a fact? tell us where you cite your facts from
then? also, the withdrawals of these medications can mess you up as
well as going on them. if this is your argument then perhaps people
that are suffering heroin withdrawals that create crime to obtain
their med should actually NEED to be medicated and its not heroins
fault at all that crime is committed its because they NEED to be
medicated!!! most heroin crime is not committed ON the drug, its
withdrawals when people need their fix.
Fact: It was raining in Spain at the time "blah blah" shot his school
teacher.
Fact: The rain in spain caused "blah blah" to shoot his school teacher
Fact: Psychiatry has caused the demise of every civilization for the
last gazzillion years.
Fact: L Ron Hubbard is god.
Get the facts straight!
Rd00
you know what? I think you are right, antidepressants dont cause
school shootings (despite their increase in popularity) its idiots
like you that push people over the edge. surely.- Hide quoted text -
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Oh dear...
Now that is funny.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Pixie wrote:
especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications
arent mind altering.
Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
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let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
DIFFERENTLY.
please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the
mind. |
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Jeff L
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Pixie wrote:
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On Apr 24, 8:40 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
hahaha not as ignorant as you, it doesnt take too much of a brain cell
to figure out if one is going to reply to a post, you hit the reply
button under the post you are RESPONDING TO! geez, maybe you should
review how to use ngs!
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No, I was responding to YOUR defense of the ignorant spammer who
produced this thread. Do you or do you not assert that antidepressants
cause violent behavior?
Pixie wrote:
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and you never cited any evidence that this assertion is false when i
asked you to, therefore you are not defending your position at all.
anyway, there is no "logic of her position" she was citing evidence,
something i havent seen you do.
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Demonstrating false logic doesn't require one to "produce evidence".
Pixie wrote:
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she cited evidence, you didnt. therefore you have to supply evidence
that her evidence is false through scientific studies of her theory,
um, which you didnt provide.
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The evidence she "cited" was her blog.
Pixie wrote:
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well, thats one piece of evidence you didnt supply, isnt it?
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Invalid. A youtube clip purporting to be from a doctor is not a reliable
source. If she wants to prove her point, she needs to point to published
medical journals and peer-reviewed studies. Has she done that? No.
Hence, bullshit.
Pixie wrote:
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thats marketing babe, suck it up. surely you have seen marketing you
dont like before havent you?
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No, this is called "spam", and I'm quite sure her webhost would be very
interested in her usenet activities... |
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Jeff L
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Pixie wrote:
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On Apr 24, 8:40 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
hahaha not as ignorant as you, it doesnt take too much of a brain cell
to figure out if one is going to reply to a post, you hit the reply
button under the post you are RESPONDING TO! geez, maybe you should
review how to use ngs!
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No, I was responding to YOUR defense of the ignorant spammer who
produced this thread. Do you or do you not assert that antidepressants
cause violent behavior?
Pixie wrote:
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and you never cited any evidence that this assertion is false when i
asked you to, therefore you are not defending your position at all.
anyway, there is no "logic of her position" she was citing evidence,
something i havent seen you do.
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Demonstrating false logic doesn't require one to "produce evidence".
Pixie wrote:
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she cited evidence, you didnt. therefore you have to supply evidence
that her evidence is false through scientific studies of her theory,
um, which you didnt provide.
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The evidence she "cited" was her blog.
Pixie wrote:
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well, thats one piece of evidence you didnt supply, isnt it?
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Invalid. A youtube clip purporting to be from a doctor is not a reliable
source. If she wants to prove her point, she needs to point to published
medical journals and peer-reviewed studies. Has she done that? No.
Hence, bullshit.
Pixie wrote:
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thats marketing babe, suck it up. surely you have seen marketing you
dont like before havent you?
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No, this is called "spam", and I'm quite sure her webhost would be very
interested in her usenet activities... |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 24, 6:18 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pixie wrote:
especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications
arent mind altering.
Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
DIFFERENTLY.
please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the
mind.
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Antidepressants or, as I prefer to call them, Serotonin regulators,
assist the brain chemically to maintain proper serotinin levels.
From wikipedia
"Serotonin (pronounced /ˌsɛrəˈtoʊnən/) (5-hydroxytryptamine, or 5-HT)
is a monoamine neurotransmitter synthesized in serotonergic neurons in
the central nervous system"
Yes antidepressants alter the brain chemically by doing what the brain
has ceased to do on its own, that is create the required amount of
serotonin.
Yes there is an increased rate of suicide in people under 18 and this
is why the FDA bans the use of these drugs, with the exception of
Prozac, to those under 18
http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/depression/treatment/antidepressants/ssri.asp
Neither the Scientology antidepressant critics nor the auto anti-
antidepressant posters are looking at the entire picture.
People on antidepressants must be under the care of a medical
professional to monitor for side effects. They must not alter their
dosage without the approval of their medical professional. If they do
these two things they will have much more productive lives than
without the drugs.
One major problem with the Virginia Tech shooter was that he was not
under medical supervision.
"http://onthescene.msnbc.com/vatech/2007/04/professor_says_.html"
My feeling is that those with a diagnosed mental illness should not be
able to legally own guns. We don't let legally blind people drive
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 24, 11:21 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
DIFFERENTLY.
They do not alter thought processes,
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Really? Is that why psychiatrists give psychotic people
antipsychotics? because it doesnt alter their thought processes? what
is it meant to do then?
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nor do they alter behavior
processes.
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ditto, for the antipsychotics, and what would be the point of giving
someone antidepressants if they still stayed in bed all day too
depressed to get out of bed? they give people these drugs to change
your behaviour. why would they give prozac to someone with a bulimia
if they simply kept puking still? of course its meant to alter your
behaviour. why do they give ritalin to kids with adhd if they still
ran around like nut baskets?
have you ever drank anything alcoholic? were your thought processes
not altered? did you not behave differently?
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They alter the chemical structure of your body. Your brain
also alters the chemical structure of your body, and both produces and
reacts to various chemicals.
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but you are arguing that it changes the chemicals and not someone's
behaviour. when you add in different chemicals to a system, does it
not change? anyway, you dont ALTER the chemical STRUCTURE of
something, you add in something that alters the neurotransmittors, the
chemical *structure* is not changed.
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I'm not a neuroscientist, so my understanding may be a bit off. On the
other hand, I'd lay money that you are not a neuroscientist, either.
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I am a lot closer than you are, but forgetting who has more scientific
qualifications, which i am sure is no contest, it is common sense.
Psychiatrists give medicine to alter BEHAVIOUR, if medicines did NOT
alter behaviour, why would they give them?
Well, perhaps we could ask Eli Lilly! http://pi.lilly.com/us/prozac.pdf`
whether prozac alters behaviour?
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Black box warning:
WARNING
"Suicidality and Antidepressant Drugs — Antidepressants increased the
risk compared to
placebo of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in children,
adolescents, and young
adults in short-term studies of major depressive disorder (MDD) and
other psychiatric
disorders."
"All patients being treated with antidepressants for any indication
should be monitored
appropriately and observed closely for clinical worsening,
suicidality, and UNUSUAL CHANGES IN BEHAVIOUR, especially during the
initial few months of a course of drug therapy, or at times
of dose changes, either increases or decreases.
The following symptoms, ANXIETY, AGITATION, PANIC ATTACKS, INSOMNIA,
IRRITABILITY, HOSTILITY,
AGGRESSIVENESS, IMPULSIVITY, AKATHISIA (psychomotor restlessness),
HYPOMANIA, and MANIA, have
BEEN REPORTED in adult and pediatric patients being TREATED with
antidepressants for major
depressive disorder as well as for other INDICATIONS, both psychiatric
and NONPSYCHIATRIC.
"Interference with Cognitive and Motor Performance — Any psychoactive
drug may impair
judgment, thinking, or motor skills, and patients should be cautioned
about operating hazardous
machinery, including automobiles, until they are reasonably certain
that the drug treatment does
not affect them adversely.
Discontinuation of Treatment with Prozac — During marketing of Prozac
and other SSRIs
and SNRIs (serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors), there
have been spontaneous
reports of adverse events occurring upon discontinuation of these
drugs, particularly when
abrupt, including the following: dysphoric mood, irritability,
agitation, dizziness, sensory
disturbances (e.g., paresthesias such as electric shock sensations),
anxiety, confusion, headache,
lethargy, emotional lability, insomnia, and hypomania."
SIDE EFFECTS:
"Events are classified within body system categories using the
following definitions: frequent
adverse events are defined as those occurring on one or more occasions
in at least 1/100 patients;
infrequent adverse events are those occurring in 1/100 to 1/1000
patients; rare events are those
occurring in less than 1/1000 patients.
Nervous System — FREQUENT: AGITATION, amnesia, CONFUSION, EMOTIONAL
LIABILITY sleep
disorder; Infrequent: abnormal gait, acute brain syndrome, akathisia,
apathy, ataxia, buccoglossal
syndrome, CNS depression, CNS stimulation, DEPERSONALISATION,
EUPHORIA, HALLUCINATIONS,
HOSTILITY, hyperkinesia, hypertonia, hypesthesia, incoordination,
libido increased, myoclonus,
neuralgia, neuropathy, NEUROSIS, PARANOID REACTION, PERSONALITY
DISORDER2, PSYCHOSIS, vertigo;
Rare: abnormal electroencephalogram, ANTISOCIAL REACTION, circumoral
paresthesia, coma,
DELUSIONS, dysarthria, dystonia, extrapyramidal syndrome, foot drop,
hyperesthesia, neuritis,
paralysis, reflexes decreased, reflexes increased, stupor.
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.... and that is only listing the NERVOUS SYSTEM side effects, perhaps
you would like to peruse the rest yourself.
but of course these are INFREQUENT side effects, in between 1/100 or
1/1000, so lets calculate shall we?
"Today, Prozac, taken by 40 million people worldwide" 40,000,000/100 that means between 400,000 and 40,000 EXTRA people are running around
with hallucinations, depersonalisation, hallucinating, hostile,
neurotic and paranoid, with personality disorders, psychosis and
delusions.
That is not to mention those that have the frequent side effects of
AGITATION, CONFUSION, and EMOTIONAL LABILITY in at least 400,000.
However of course, it is not just 1/100 is it?
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well not according to ELi Lilly's papers that were disclosed by CNN
(http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/01/03/prozac.documents/index.html )
"CNN) -- An internal document purportedly from Eli Lilly and Co. made
public Monday appears to show that the drug maker had data more than
15 years ago showing that patients on its antidepressant Prozac were
far more likely to attempt suicide and show hostility than were
patients on other antidepressants and that the company attempted to
minimize public awareness of the side effects...
....In the paper, titled "Activation and sedation in fluoxetine
clinical trials," the authors said that the drug may produce
nervousness, anxiety, agitation or insomnia in 19 percent of patients,
and sedation in 13 percent of patients."
therefore that changes the calculations to 7,600,000 extra people
running around agitated and confused. I bet NOT ONE of these people
owns a gun now, do they?
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So, there you have it ELi Lily KNEW from clinical trials it made
people more suicidal and hostile compared to others on other
antidepressants.
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HOWEVER, there is ONE THING ELI LILLY DOESNT KNOW Jeff, which YOU HAVE
TO TELL THEM, because YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS THIS: you really
must tell them that prozac does NOT in fact ALTER BEHAVIOUR, OR
THOUGHT PROCESSES because for some strange reason, they REALLY THINK
IT DOES! you really must correct them.
Anyway, I hope you enjoyed our little jaunt into the world of prozac
as exposed by Eli Lily which is evidenced by clinical trials and
helped exposed your darling news team CNN.
But you know what? I bet they are ALL SECRET SCIENTOLOGISTS MAKING
THIS ALL UP with my well cited scientific evidence (well, as
scientific as Eli Lilly can manage), perhaps you should blow the
whistle on them, and say they are making this ALL UP just to piss off
people like you.
p.s. I apologise about your lack of scientific education it was not
correct of me to assume that you had one when one started to make
claims about pharmaceuticals. |
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oh shit, i cited a wrong source, Eli Lilly NOW claims that 50 million
people take prozac, and a few other interesting "missing clinical
trial documents" from court cases too:
http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/US-drug-company-knew-that.2591580.jp
but remember, reading the scotsman, you have to be REALLY careful,
there are a hell of a lot of scientologists in Scotland. |
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