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 Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 25, 2:11 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Pixie wrote:
Really? Is that why psychiatrists give psychotic people
antipsychotics? because it doesnt alter their thought processes? what
is it meant to do then?
We're discussing antidepressants, dipshit. Stop trying to change the
subject due to the fact that you are an obvious moron.
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WELL, If you cant READ AN ENTIRE PAGE ON PROZAC WITHOUT REALISING ITS
ABOUT ANTIDEPRESSANTS your a bit of an idiot, arent you?
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ditto, for the antipsychotics, and what would be the point of giving
someone antidepressants if they still stayed in bed all day too
depressed to get out of bed? they give people these drugs to change
your behaviour. why would they give prozac to someone with a bulimia
if they simply kept puking still? of course its meant to alter your
behaviour. why do they give ritalin to kids with adhd if they still
ran around like nut baskets?
My point is thus: A person on antidepressants still have the choice to
stay in bed all day. A person on Ritalin still has the choice to run
around like nut baskets. That behavior is, indeed, a choice behavior.
Medication only serves to make that choice a possibility.
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REALLY?? Does that mean that when you drink ALCOHOL you have THE
CHOICE TO BE INTOXICATED??
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Pixie wrote:
I am a lot closer than you are, but forgetting who has more scientific
qualifications, which i am sure is no contest, it is common sense.
Actually, you've proven yourself as an illogical and irrational moron
time and time again.
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BUT OF COURSE BECAUSE I CITED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE SUPPORTED BY THE
DRUG MAKER, AND VARIOUS GOVERNMENTS INCLUDING USA, UK, and OTHER
EUROPEAN COUNTRIES! AND WHAT DID YOU CITE? JACK SHIT
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But I'll let you have your fantasy. I'm sure you
can discuss it with your psychiatrist later on. "Someone was mean to me
on the internet!"
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Your hardly mean, more like an ignorant cunt.
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Pixie wrote:
Black box warning:
WARNING
"Suicidality and Antidepressant Drugs — Antidepressants increased the
risk compared to
placebo of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in children,
adolescents, and young
adults in short-term studies of major depressive disorder (MDD) and
other psychiatric
disorders."
Antidepressants are shown to increase thoughts of suicide in people who
already have such thoughts. But suicide is, and ultimately remains, a
choice behavior. No antidepressant can *force* a person to kill himself,
which is the argument it seems you try to make. Nor can any
antidepressant *force* a person to turn into a homicidal maniac (and
there is no evidence that it even has the ability to influence such
behavior in the first place)
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REALLY? I PRESUME IT DOESNT FORCE THEM TO BECOME PSYCHOTIC EITHER DOES
IT? OF COURSE NOT! YOU GET TO CHOOOOOOOOSE WHICH SIDE EFFECT YOU WANT,
DONT YOU??
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Pixie wrote:
"All patients being treated with antidepressants for any indication
should be monitored appropriately and observed closely
This is worth highlighting. I am surprised that you would dare quote
something which expressly states that people on antidepressants should
have medical supervision, given your irrational hatred of psychiatrists,
psychologists, and general practitioners.
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I dont hate them I THINK THEY ARE STUPID! BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW WHAT
THEY ARE HANDING OUT or the side effects because the companies cover
up their clinical trials. just read the fucking articles if you have
a brain cell. there's buckets of them.
You didnt read a fucking bit of it did you, well that CITED EVIDENCE
IT CHANGES BEHAVIOUR, you dumb prick.
Jesus, even trying to educate you is a fucking waste, your parents
must be ashamed. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Paul Breckenridge, June 1984, in the
Gerry Armstrong case:
"In addition to violating and abusing its own members' civil rights,
the organization over the years with its 'fair game' doctrine has
harassed and abused those persons not in the church whom it perceives
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Pixie
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:58 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Antidepressants-are-vastly-overprescribed.2585803.jp
http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/GPs-forced-to-prescribe-too.2516063.jp
http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/SSRIs-link-to-bleeding.2263319.jp
http://news.scotsman.com/comment/Drug-firms-are-addicted-to.2760000.jp
http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Depression-drugs-risk-to-newborns.2749381.jp
http://news.scotsman.com/comment/Hey-cheer-up-were-unhappy.3286276.jp
http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Antidepressant-may-actually-make-sufferers.2654473.jp
"Antidepressants are shown to increase thoughts of suicide in people
who
already have such thoughts. "
no, mr. brain box, there is a difference between being deoressed and
suicidal and what about all those clinical trials of HEALTHY
VOLUNTEERS?
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/Traci-Johnson-19-duloxetine2.htm
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/Traci-Johnson-19-duloxetine3.htm
Johnson was among 100 healthy participants in the latest tests, Smith
said. She received $150 a day plus meals.
Johnson initially took the drug but recently was switched to a
placebo, Smith said.
http://www.teenscreentruth.com/psychiatry_drugs_suicide.html
"Coming off psych drugs may increase hostility
The FDA issued a warning that when taking SSRI antidepressants, any
abrupt change in dose (up or down) can result in suicide, psychosis or
hostility -- their word to describe homicide. There is mounting
scientific evidence that during withdrawal from these drugs, there
could be a temporary worsening of hostility, violence, suicidiality
and other negative symptoms. This danger usually begins from 3 weeks
to 4 months after discontinuing the drug and lasts from 1 month to 1
year. Even though the medication will no longer show up in a blood
test or autopsy report, the brain neurotransmitters are still trying
to "realign" themselves and symptoms can continue. If your child is
coming off any medication it would be very wise to closely monitor his
or her behavior with regard to these potentially worsening symptoms."
That FDA is a load of scientologists arent they?
"But suicide is, and ultimately remains, a
choice behavior. No antidepressant can *force* a person to kill
himself,
which is the argument it seems you try to make.
er, of course they cant force someone to kill themselves you dumb
fuck, but their behaviour TURNS SUICIDAL, it changes their behaviour,
and surely after all your lovely reading you realise ANTIDEPRESSANTS
ARE MEANT TO CHANGE BEHAVIOUR! ASK ANY FUCKING PSYCHIATRIST. you
really cant be this stupid. its not possible.
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Nor can any
antidepressant *force* a person to turn into a homicidal maniac (and |
there is no evidence that it even has the ability to influence such
behavior in the first place) -
---er, what did you think those articles by ELI LILLY AND CNN WERE
TELLING YOU? A NURSERY RHYME?
oh look! a case of a perfectly fun loving church going hick that ends
up topping herself in a clinical trial for $150 per day, I THINK WE
FOUND MORE EVIDENCE!
Exhibit fucking A):
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/duloxetine-9.htm
I dare say i should no longer quote scientific evidence to you because
you are too good damn stupid to understand it.
WHAT DOES THESE CHEMICAL REACTIONS DO OTHER THAN CHANGE YOUR
BEHAVIOUR? learn to read. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:08 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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I'm not here to debate the evidence. I'm here to debate the false logic
and idealogical totalitarianism. There is evidence that anti-depressants
are associated with an increased risk of suicide. I don't debate that.
I'm debating the ridiculous logical fallacies that you and Brittany find
so popular and use to justify your "PSYCHIATRY IS DESIGNED TO FLEECE
YOUR MONEY AND POISON YOUR MIND" bullshit.
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no, i dont, i dont personally think they are smart enough to PURPOSELY
DO IT, they arent designed to do it dont be retarded. they are too
stupid to design such a cunning plan they are not inheretly evil they
are STUPID and dont know jack shit about what they are prescribing
because the government knocks meds through too much, pharmaceutical
companies BRIBE DOCTORS TOO MUCH, there is not enough research etc. it
isnt a cunning plan, its their LACK OF PLAN.
i never said such a thing,"PSYCHIATRY IS DESIGNED TO FLEECE
> YOUR MONEY AND POISON YOUR MIND" i said they were stupid and didnt know what they were playing with and they play with fire. forget about all this medical supervision nonsense. doctors are fed this bullshit that these things are not addictive and do not supervise a suitable withdrawal process BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO! they tell you you can stop the thing cold turkey. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 25, 3:03 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Pixie wrote:
no, mr. brain box, there is a difference between being deoressed and
suicidal and what about all those clinical trials of HEALTHY
VOLUNTEERS?
Sigh. Ignorant sow, they do not test anti-depressants on people who
would, logically, have no need of antidepressants. They test them on
people who have diagnosed clinical depression.
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REALLY?? Well, I guess you know JACK SHIT ABOUT HOW TO GET A
MEDICATION APPROVED IN THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY, do you??
Traci Johnson, oh sorry, i assumed that you could actually read
links.
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It wouldn't make any
sense to test a drug on Joe Public, because Joe Public would respond
quite differently.
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WELL FUCK ME, PHASE I TRIALS OF DRUGS ARE INHERENTLY WRONG??
Phase I
Phase I trials are the first stage of testing in human subjects.
Normally, a small (20-80) group of HEALTHY volunteers will be
selected. This phase includes trials designed to assess the safety
(pharmacovigilance), tolerability, pharmacokinetics, and
pharmacodynamics of a drug. These trials are often conducted in an
inpatient clinic, where the subject can be observed by full-time
staff. The subject who receives the drug is usually observed until
several half-lives of the drug have passed. Phase I trials also
normally include dose-ranging, also called dose escalation, studies so
that the appropriate dose for therapeutic use can be found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trial#Phase_I
Read about clinical trials before you shoot off your mouth.
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Pixie wrote:
any abrupt change in dose (up or down) can result in suicide, psychosis or
hostility -- their word to describe homicide.
Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
this DOESN'T HAPPEN. Drugs are gradually increased, or decreased - NEVER
abruptly started or stopped.
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REALLY??
in many articles they state the the prozac LONG HALF LIFE MEANS YOU
CAN STOP COLD TURKEY, and doctors reflect this:
"The elimination half-life is long: 1-4 days for fluoxetine and 7-10
days for norfluoxetine. Because of the long half-life, the drug can be
administered once daily, efficacy is unaffected by an occasional
missed dose, and abrupt termination of therapy results in gradual
cessation of effects."
BULLSHIT it means you get delayed withdrawals. i wish you could read. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:25 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
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REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
being called unqualified... |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 25, 3:27 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Pixie wrote:
REALLY?? Well, I guess you know JACK SHIT ABOUT HOW TO GET A
MEDICATION APPROVED IN THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY, do you??
Traci Johnson, oh sorry, i assumed that you could actually read
links.
I'll admit I hadn't read your link at the time I submitted this posting,
and I retract my prior statement.
Pixie wrote:
WELL FUCK ME, PHASE I TRIALS OF DRUGS ARE INHERENTLY WRONG??
Indeed. It makes, as I've said, absolutely zero sense to test a drug
with psychiatric properties on a person who has no psychiatric problems.
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well, ACTUALLY, IT DOES if you read how clinical trials are designed,
because they are testing MORE than the psychiatric effects, Pre-
clinical studies involve in vitro (i.e., test tube or laboratory)
studies and trials on animal populations (in vivo). Phase 0 is a
recent designation for exploratory, first-in-human trials conducted in
accordance with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) 2006
Guidance on Exploratory Investigational New Drug (IND) Studies.[7]
Phase 0 trials are also known as human microdosing studies and are
designed to speed up the development of promising drugs or imaging
agents by establishing very early on whether the drug or agent behaves
in human subjects as was anticipated from preclinical studies.
Phase I trials are the first stage of testing in human subjects.
Normally, a small (20-80) group of healthy volunteers will be
selected. This phase includes trials designed to assess the safety
(pharmacovigilance), tolerability, pharmacokinetics, and
pharmacodynamics of a drug.
Phase II-
Once the initial safety of the study drug has been confirmed in Phase
I trials, Phase II trials are performed on larger groups (20-300) and
are designed to assess how well the drug works, as well as to continue
Phase I safety assessments in a larger group of volunteers and
patients. When the development process for a new drug fails, this
usually occurs during Phase II trials when the drug is discovered not
to work as planned, or to have toxic effects.
Phase III studies are randomized controlled multicenter trials on
large patient groups (300–3,000 or more depending upon the disease/
medical condition studied) and are aimed at being the definitive
assessment of how effective the drug is, in comparison with current
'gold standard' treatment.
Phase IV trial is also known as Post Marketing Surveillance Trial.
Phase IV trials involve the safety surveillance (pharmacovigilance)
and ongoing technical support of a drug after it receives permission
to be sold. Phase IV studies may be required by regulatory authorities
or may be undertaken by the sponsoring company for competitive
(finding a new market for the drug) or other reasons (for example, the
drug may not have been tested for interactions with other drugs, or on
certain population groups such as pregnant women, who are unlikely to
subject themselves to trials).
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Ritalin, for example, is a stimulant. The effect it has on a person
without ADHD is significantly different than the effect it has on a
person with ADHD. I wasn't aware that they tested these drugs on people
who would not have any problems that the drug would be designed to treat.
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oooh, Jeff, it doesnt look like you know as much as you assumed you
did about pharmaceuticals does it?
i am very proud that you could actuallly read that, see? you learn
something new everyday, and i am sure that you would be surprised as
hell at some of the "medical practices" of some "qualified" medical
doctor. no, these things shouldnt happen but they DO, every day.
Like getting cut off medication cold turkey by doctors advice.
i am actually very proud you learned something today!  |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 25, 3:33 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Pixie wrote:
Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
being called unqualified...
Where you treated by said doctor? Or can you point to a person who was,
and was abruptly removed from a medication?
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Yes, it was me.
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Taking someone off of most any medication without some sort of gradual
reduction of dosage is dangerous.
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oh, jeff, maybe you should have told him that, where were you when i
needed you?
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There are a few exceptions to this
(antibiotics come to mind), but in general, it's a bad medical practice.
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well, maybe you can help me file a complaint.
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As a person who was on eight different medications and under psychiatric
supervision (albeit relatively poor; a nurse oversaw my medications for
3 of those years as the Oregon Health Plan was too cheap to allow me a
proper psychiatrist) for 5 years, I can assert that *NEVER* was I
abruptly removed from a medication. Indeed, it was well-communicated to
me to NEVER let that happen.
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REALLY? Well, when i was under the care of such high profile harvard
doctor, I was removed from meds cold turkey 5- 8 times, in a very
short space of time, because he just couldnt quite decide what to give
me, i begged him not to. I was always told not to worry, it wasnt
addictive, you can stop at any time, prozac has a long half life blah
blah and then when i was having withdrawals he wouldnt give it back to
me and wanted to put me on the "latest" antidepressants on the market
within a VERY SMALL SPACE IN TIME because none of them worked because
i was having withdrawals. When he refused to give me back the original
one I sat there trying to get the next one that was chemically close
enough to it. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:55 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Pixie wrote:
Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
being called unqualified...
I should probably alter my terminology.
Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There are
piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit notable
positions.
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yes, i think you are learning now. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:57 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Pixie wrote:
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so which fucking one is it, are you responding to MY POST, or HERS?
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I'm responding to YOUR post in DEFENSE OF HERS. Goddamn it. I'd say that
you have the intellectual capacity of a cactus, but I'd be insulting the
intelligence of cacti.
Pixie wrote:
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she wasnt doing anything but posting a link someone may be interested
in
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No, she's spamming. How the fuck is this anti-psychiatry bullshit
related to anything that would be ontopic in alt.suicide.methods? Or
alt.suicide.holiday? Or alt.religion.scientology?
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especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications
arent mind altering.
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Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
problems. Your point, thus, is invalid. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:21 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Pixie wrote:
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On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pixie wrote:
especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications
arent mind altering.
Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
DIFFERENTLY.
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They do not alter thought processes, nor do they alter behavior
processes. They alter the chemical structure of your body. Your brain
also alters the chemical structure of your body, and both produces and
reacts to various chemicals.
I'm not a neuroscientist, so my understanding may be a bit off. On the
other hand, I'd lay money that you are not a neuroscientist, either. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Pixie wrote:
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Really? Is that why psychiatrists give psychotic people
antipsychotics? because it doesnt alter their thought processes? what
is it meant to do then?
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We're discussing antidepressants, dipshit. Stop trying to change the
subject due to the fact that you are an obvious moron.
Pixie wrote:
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nor do they alter behavior
processes.
ditto, for the antipsychotics, and what would be the point of giving
someone antidepressants if they still stayed in bed all day too
depressed to get out of bed? they give people these drugs to change
your behaviour. why would they give prozac to someone with a bulimia
if they simply kept puking still? of course its meant to alter your
behaviour. why do they give ritalin to kids with adhd if they still
ran around like nut baskets?
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My point is thus: A person on antidepressants still have the choice to
stay in bed all day. A person on Ritalin still has the choice to run
around like nut baskets. That behavior is, indeed, a choice behavior.
Medication only serves to make that choice a possibility.
Pixie wrote:
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I am a lot closer than you are, but forgetting who has more scientific
qualifications, which i am sure is no contest, it is common sense.
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Actually, you've proven yourself as an illogical and irrational moron
time and time again. But I'll let you have your fantasy. I'm sure you
can discuss it with your psychiatrist later on. "Someone was mean to me
on the internet!"
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Black box warning:
WARNING
"Suicidality and Antidepressant Drugs — Antidepressants increased the
risk compared to
placebo of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in children,
adolescents, and young
adults in short-term studies of major depressive disorder (MDD) and
other psychiatric
disorders."
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Antidepressants are shown to increase thoughts of suicide in people who
already have such thoughts. But suicide is, and ultimately remains, a
choice behavior. No antidepressant can *force* a person to kill himself,
which is the argument it seems you try to make. Nor can any
antidepressant *force* a person to turn into a homicidal maniac (and
there is no evidence that it even has the ability to influence such
behavior in the first place)
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"All patients being treated with antidepressants for any indication
should be monitored appropriately and observed closely
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This is worth highlighting. I am surprised that you would dare quote
something which expressly states that people on antidepressants should
have medical supervision, given your irrational hatred of psychiatrists,
psychologists, and general practitioners. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Pixie wrote:
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Your hardly mean, more like an ignorant cunt.
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Psychological projection, much? Oops, that's one of those "psych" words.
My bad.
Pixie wrote:
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REALLY? I PRESUME IT DOESNT FORCE THEM TO BECOME PSYCHOTIC EITHER DOES
IT? OF COURSE NOT! YOU GET TO CHOOOOOOOOSE WHICH SIDE EFFECT YOU WANT,
DONT YOU??
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Psychosis isn't a "behavior".
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I dont hate them I THINK THEY ARE STUPID!
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And I'm sure they feel the same way about you. But before you use that
to justify another psych-rant, keep in mind that the general population
feels the exact same way.
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You didnt read a fucking bit of it did you, well that CITED EVIDENCE
IT CHANGES BEHAVIOUR, you dumb prick.
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I'm not here to debate the evidence. I'm here to debate the false logic
and idealogical totalitarianism. There is evidence that anti-depressants
are associated with an increased risk of suicide. I don't debate that.
I'm debating the ridiculous logical fallacies that you and Brittany find
so popular and use to justify your "PSYCHIATRY IS DESIGNED TO FLEECE
YOUR MONEY AND POISON YOUR MIND" bullshit.
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Jesus, even trying to educate you is a fucking waste, your parents
must be ashamed.
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I'm sure they'd be quite proud, actually, wherever they may be. But
thank you, regardless. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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no, mr. brain box, there is a difference between being deoressed and
suicidal and what about all those clinical trials of HEALTHY
VOLUNTEERS?
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Sigh. Ignorant sow, they do not test anti-depressants on people who
would, logically, have no need of antidepressants. They test them on
people who have diagnosed clinical depression. It wouldn't make any
sense to test a drug on Joe Public, because Joe Public would respond
quite differently.
Pixie wrote:
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any abrupt change in dose (up or down) can result in suicide, psychosis or
hostility -- their word to describe homicide.
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Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
this DOESN'T HAPPEN. Drugs are gradually increased, or decreased - NEVER
abruptly started or stopped.
Additional bullshit not worthy of response snipped, as usual. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Pixie wrote:
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REALLY?? Well, I guess you know JACK SHIT ABOUT HOW TO GET A
MEDICATION APPROVED IN THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY, do you??
Traci Johnson, oh sorry, i assumed that you could actually read
links.
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I'll admit I hadn't read your link at the time I submitted this posting,
and I retract my prior statement.
Pixie wrote:
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WELL FUCK ME, PHASE I TRIALS OF DRUGS ARE INHERENTLY WRONG??
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Indeed. It makes, as I've said, absolutely zero sense to test a drug
with psychiatric properties on a person who has no psychiatric problems.
Ritalin, for example, is a stimulant. The effect it has on a person
without ADHD is significantly different than the effect it has on a
person with ADHD. I wasn't aware that they tested these drugs on people
who would not have any problems that the drug would be designed to treat. |
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