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 Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
being called unqualified...
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Where you treated by said doctor? Or can you point to a person who was,
and was abruptly removed from a medication?
Taking someone off of most any medication without some sort of gradual
reduction of dosage is dangerous. There are a few exceptions to this
(antibiotics come to mind), but in general, it's a bad medical practice.
As a person who was on eight different medications and under psychiatric
supervision (albeit relatively poor; a nurse oversaw my medications for
3 of those years as the Oregon Health Plan was too cheap to allow me a
proper psychiatrist) for 5 years, I can assert that *NEVER* was I
abruptly removed from a medication. Indeed, it was well-communicated to
me to NEVER let that happen. |
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Jeff L
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Pixie wrote:
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Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
being called unqualified...
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I should probably alter my terminology.
Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There are
piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit notable
positions. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 25, 3:55 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pixie wrote:
Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
being called unqualified...
I should probably alter my terminology.
Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There are
piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit notable
positions.
yes, i think you are learning now.
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Pixie, yes, antidepressants can make you more suicidal in the first
few weeks of treatment - but have you considered what a danger
unmedicated clinical depression is?
I'm not a major fan of meds - they've done me a lot of damage at times
- but hand on heart I can say I wouldn't be here without them. The
side effects, even the psychosis, vomiting, and everything else I
suffered when I was forced to abruptly discontinue 40mg citalopram by
my doctor do not cancel out the clear benefits they've had to me - I
can get out of bed, I can think coherently (most of the time), I'm
attending college.. nor am I saying they're really suitable for
anything other than clear, major depressive disorder - and perhaps
there is a problem with overprescription, I don't know enough about it
to say, and I'm not denying that if there is a problem with too many
being prescribed to people who don't really need them then that is
appalling.. but they do have their worth and they can be life-saving
for those that need them. |
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Avalanche
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 25, 1:34Â am, h...@mailinator.com wrote:
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On Apr 24, 6:18 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pixie wrote:
especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications
 > arent mind altering.
Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
chemical structure of your BODY Â in an attempt to counteract mental
problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
DIFFERENTLY.
please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the
mind.
Antidepressants or, as I prefer to call them, Serotonin regulators,
assist the brain chemically to maintain proper serotinin levels.
From wikipedia
"Serotonin (pronounced /ˌsɛrəˈtoʊnən/) (5-hydroxytryptamine, or 5-HT)
is a monoamine neurotransmitter synthesized in serotonergic neurons in
the central nervous system"
Yes antidepressants alter the brain chemically by doing what the brain
has ceased to do on its own, that is create the required amount of
serotonin.
Yes there is an increased rate of suicide in people under 18 and this
is why the FDA bans the use of these drugs, with the exception of
Prozac, Â to those under 18
http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/depression/treatment/antidepr...
Neither the Scientology antidepressant critics nor the auto anti-
antidepressant posters are looking at the entire picture.
People on antidepressants must be under the care of a medical
professional to monitor for side effects. Â They must not alter their
dosage without the approval of their medical professional. Â If they do
these two things they will have much more productive lives than
without the drugs.
One major problem with the Virginia Tech shooter was that he was not
under medical supervision.
"http://onthescene.msnbc.com/vatech/2007/04/professor_says_.html"
My feeling is that those with a diagnosed mental illness should not be
able to legally own guns. Â We don't let legally blind people drive
cars, do we?
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They're not all serotonin regulators - there are those that act
primarily on norepeniphrene and dopamine.
And I don't agree with you entirely on the patient determining dosage
thing - I've had to tweak my own meds every time I've been prescribed
them to find something that works for me - the psychiatrist is not
living in my head. |
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Pixie
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 25, 1:54 pm, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
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On Apr 25, 3:55 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pixie wrote:
Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified physician,
this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
being called unqualified...
I should probably alter my terminology.
Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There are
piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit notable
positions.
yes, i think you are learning now.
Pixie, yes, antidepressants can make you more suicidal in the first
few weeks of treatment - but have you considered what a danger
unmedicated clinical depression is?
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well, perhaps major clinical depression, but im not sure if you read
any of my links but most antidepressants arent given for major
clinical depression in the UK. PMT? have an antidepressant. anxiety?
have an antidepressant. eating disorder? have an antidepressant. balh
blah blah
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I'm not a major fan of meds - they've done me a lot of damage at times
- but hand on heart I can say I wouldn't be here without them.
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well, maybe you had major clinical depression, most on antidepressants
dont.
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The
side effects, even the psychosis, vomiting, and everything else I
suffered when I was forced to abruptly discontinue 40mg citalopram by
my doctor do not cancel out the clear benefits they've had to me - I
can get out of bed, I can think coherently (most of the time), I'm
attending college.. nor am I saying they're really suitable for
anything other than clear, major depressive disorder - and perhaps
there is a problem with overprescription, I don't know enough about it
to say, and I'm not denying that if there is a problem with too many
being prescribed to people who don't really need them then that is
appalling.. but they do have their worth and they can be life-saving
for those that need them.
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MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NEED THEM! see references. and i may have been
depressed before (who on their period hasnt been) but nothing can make
you as fucking crazy as antidepepressants. and most people that are
depressed do not go on a shooting rampage, set themself on fire, etc
etc etc. |
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Pixie
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 30, 10:32 am, "lostfrogg" <prelude_en_fu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Jeff L, you seem to be talking sense. Pixie comes across as arrogant,
irritable and illogical. Don't let her bother you.
"Pixie" <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:2de0c721-b356-401c-a2bf-662f7d293067@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 25, 1:54 pm, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
On Apr 25, 3:55 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pixie wrote:
Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified
physician,
this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
being called unqualified...
I should probably alter my terminology.
Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There
are
piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit
notable
positions.
yes, i think you are learning now.
Pixie, yes, antidepressants can make you more suicidal in the first
few weeks of treatment - but have you considered what a danger
unmedicated clinical depression is?
well, perhaps major clinical depression, but im not sure if you read
any of my links but most antidepressants arent given for major
clinical depression in the UK. PMT? have an antidepressant. anxiety?
have an antidepressant. eating disorder? have an antidepressant. balh
blah blah
I'm not a major fan of meds - they've done me a lot of damage at times
- but hand on heart I can say I wouldn't be here without them.
well, maybe you had major clinical depression, most on antidepressants
dont.
The
side effects, even the psychosis, vomiting, and everything else I
suffered when I was forced to abruptly discontinue 40mg citalopram by
my doctor do not cancel out the clear benefits they've had to me - I
can get out of bed, I can think coherently (most of the time), I'm
attending college.. nor am I saying they're really suitable for
anything other than clear, major depressive disorder - and perhaps
there is a problem with overprescription, I don't know enough about it
to say, and I'm not denying that if there is a problem with too many
being prescribed to people who don't really need them then that is
appalling.. but they do have their worth and they can be life-saving
for those that need them.
MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NEED THEM! see references. and i may have been
depressed before (who on their period hasnt been) but nothing can make
you as fucking crazy as antidepepressants. and most people that are
depressed do not go on a shooting rampage, set themself on fire, etc
etc etc.
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LOL, talking sense? "abrupt changes do not happen" er, they have to
many, 2 people are currently posting about it now! dont promote your
own ignorance!
"medicine is not tested on healthy people" cited clinical trials
procedures. get a grip.
"medicine does not alter thought processes or behaviour although it
chemically changes the body" excuse myself while i piss myself
laughing lostfrog!
arrogant? why? by sharing scientific knowledge to clear up
misconceptions?
irritable? yes, fools irritate me when they say something without
backing up their comments or listening to scientific reason and
citation.
Illogical? I am posting clear scientific evidence and citations. the
whole pharmaceutical industry with psych meds and doctors is
illogical, you cant blame me for that, or me showing evidence of it.
get a grip and wake up.
I am only trying to clear up misconceptions i am not trying to bother
anyone. Next time maybe people will back up their statements with
evidence and not just spout tosh. |
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lostfrogg
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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Jeff L, you seem to be talking sense. Pixie comes across as arrogant,
irritable and illogical. Don't let her bother you.
"Pixie" <pixiestickspixie@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:2de0c721-b356-401c-a2bf-662f7d293067@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
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On Apr 25, 1:54 pm, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
On Apr 25, 3:55 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Apr 25, 3:42 am, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pixie wrote:
Key word: Abrupt change. Under the monitoring of a qualified
physician,
this DOESN'T HAPPEN.
REALLY? well, there must be A LOT of unqualified doctors running
around then, I dont think a top Doctor at Harvard would appreciate
being called unqualified...
I should probably alter my terminology.
Under the monitoring of a GOOD physician, this doesn't happen. There
are
piss-poor doctors, and these piss-poor doctors sometimes inhabit
notable
positions.
yes, i think you are learning now.
Pixie, yes, antidepressants can make you more suicidal in the first
few weeks of treatment - but have you considered what a danger
unmedicated clinical depression is?
well, perhaps major clinical depression, but im not sure if you read
any of my links but most antidepressants arent given for major
clinical depression in the UK. PMT? have an antidepressant. anxiety?
have an antidepressant. eating disorder? have an antidepressant. balh
blah blah
I'm not a major fan of meds - they've done me a lot of damage at times
- but hand on heart I can say I wouldn't be here without them.
well, maybe you had major clinical depression, most on antidepressants
dont.
The
side effects, even the psychosis, vomiting, and everything else I
suffered when I was forced to abruptly discontinue 40mg citalopram by
my doctor do not cancel out the clear benefits they've had to me - I
can get out of bed, I can think coherently (most of the time), I'm
attending college.. nor am I saying they're really suitable for
anything other than clear, major depressive disorder - and perhaps
there is a problem with overprescription, I don't know enough about it
to say, and I'm not denying that if there is a problem with too many
being prescribed to people who don't really need them then that is
appalling.. but they do have their worth and they can be life-saving
for those that need them.
MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NEED THEM! see references. and i may have been
depressed before (who on their period hasnt been) but nothing can make
you as fucking crazy as antidepepressants. and most people that are
depressed do not go on a shooting rampage, set themself on fire, etc
etc etc. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 25, 8:56 am, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
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On Apr 25, 1:34 am, h...@mailinator.com wrote:
On Apr 24, 6:18 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pixie wrote:
especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications
arent mind altering.
Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
DIFFERENTLY.
please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the
mind.
Antidepressants or, as I prefer to call them, Serotonin regulators,
assist the brain chemically to maintain proper serotinin levels.
From wikipedia
"Serotonin (pronounced /ˌsɛrəˈtoʊnən/) (5-hydroxytryptamine, or 5-HT)
is a monoamine neurotransmitter synthesized in serotonergic neurons in
the central nervous system"
Yes antidepressants alter the brain chemically by doing what the brain
has ceased to do on its own, that is create the required amount of
serotonin.
Yes there is an increased rate of suicide in people under 18 and this
is why the FDA bans the use of these drugs, with the exception of
Prozac, to those under 18
http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/depression/treatment/antidepr...
Neither the Scientology antidepressant critics nor the auto anti-
antidepressant posters are looking at the entire picture.
People on antidepressants must be under the care of a medical
professional to monitor for side effects. They must not alter their
dosage without the approval of their medical professional. If they do
these two things they will have much more productive lives than
without the drugs.
One major problem with the Virginia Tech shooter was that he was not
under medical supervision.
"http://onthescene.msnbc.com/vatech/2007/04/professor_says_.html"
My feeling is that those with a diagnosed mental illness should not be
able to legally own guns. We don't let legally blind people drive
cars, do we?
They're not all serotonin regulators - there are those that act
primarily on norepeniphrene and dopamine.
And I don't agree with you entirely on the patient determining dosage
thing - I've had to tweak my own meds every time I've been prescribed
them to find something that works for me - the psychiatrist is not
living in my head.
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OK, Yes you tweak them, but you keep your psychiatrist informed of the
change so he/she can keep an eye out for any changes in your
condition. The key here is that people on meds be closely monitored
until the individual's optimum dosage can be determined. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: Kids On Drugs: Antidepressants And Ritalin (Generation R |
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On Apr 30, 12:42 pm, h...@mailinator.com wrote:
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On Apr 25, 8:56 am, Avalanche <aku...@insecurities.org> wrote:
On Apr 25, 1:34 am, h...@mailinator.com wrote:
On Apr 24, 6:18 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Apr 24, 10:57 pm, Jeff L <jeffrey.lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pixie wrote:
especially from some cunt that asserts that mind altering medications
arent mind altering.
Anti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
DIFFERENTLY.
please go tell a psychiatrist that antidepressants do not effect the
mind.
Antidepressants or, as I prefer to call them, Serotonin regulators,
assist the brain chemically to maintain proper serotinin levels.
From wikipedia
"Serotonin (pronounced /ˌsɛrəˈtoʊnən/) (5-hydroxytryptamine, or 5-HT)
is a monoamine neurotransmitter synthesized in serotonergic neurons in
the central nervous system"
Yes antidepressants alter the brain chemically by doing what the brain
has ceased to do on its own, that is create the required amount of
serotonin.
Yes there is an increased rate of suicide in people under 18 and this
is why the FDA bans the use of these drugs, with the exception of
Prozac, to those under 18
http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/depression/treatment/antidepr....
Neither the Scientology antidepressant critics nor the auto anti-
antidepressant posters are looking at the entire picture.
People on antidepressants must be under the care of a medical
professional to monitor for side effects. They must not alter their
dosage without the approval of their medical professional. If they do
these two things they will have much more productive lives than
without the drugs.
One major problem with the Virginia Tech shooter was that he was not
under medical supervision.
"http://onthescene.msnbc.com/vatech/2007/04/professor_says_.html"
My feeling is that those with a diagnosed mental illness should not be
able to legally own guns. We don't let legally blind people drive
cars, do we?
They're not all serotonin regulators - there are those that act
primarily on norepeniphrene and dopamine.
And I don't agree with you entirely on the patient determining dosage
thing - I've had to tweak my own meds every time I've been prescribed
them to find something that works for me - the psychiatrist is not
living in my head.
OK, Yes you tweak them, but you keep your psychiatrist informed of the
change so he/she can keep an eye out for any changes in your
condition. The key here is that people on meds be closely monitored
until the individual's optimum dosage can be determined.
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er, clearly you have missed the posts on ash/asm etc. about doctors
tweaking meds... and fucking it up badly then, havent you? |
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