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On May 3, 1:28 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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On May 3, 10:15 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 mei, 10:52, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On May 3, 9:48 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 mei, 10:41, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On May 3, 9:06 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 mei, 10:03, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
(LifeSiteNews.com) - The eminent Spanish psychiatrist Enrique Rojas
gave a speech yesterday in Buenos Aires declaring that homosexuality
is “a clinical process that has an etiology, pathogeny, treatment, and
cure”. For more go tohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/01/psychiatrist-says-homosexuality-is-a-d...
So? Even among psychiatrists there will be a few idiots and bigots.
Like in your CULT.
Oh, is this the same CULT whose message boards you hang out on?
Hanging out on a message board whose views you are against makes you a
troll. why not hang out on a KKK message boards? why not hang out on
BNP message boards to police them? Oh, is it because you dont have the
time to waste? YOU ARE ON A SCIENTOLOGIST MESSAGE BOARD, what kind of
posts do you expect? Posts about JESUS? get a grip, and get a life.. go
police someone elses thoughts.
Pixie, you moron, YOU are the one at the wrong place. This is, like
real message boards (this is not) critical to the CULT. The trolls are
people like you, Tom, Jonathon, Barbara and a few more.
But I am not surprised at all you thought otherwise. Followers of
Hubturd never excelled in an intellectual way.
Peter
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
You dumbass if you noticed i am not posting from ARS, like you are. I
dont follow any Hubturd crap, or know anything about him, however, I
have noticed you ARE posting from ARS, I am not, or dont you know
anything about god damn computers?, i dont know a damn thing about
that shit, has nothing to do with me, the damn thing was cross posted.
clueless, arent you?
So? You ARE posting on ARS. I couldn't care less what other groups you
post to.
If you don't want my responds, stop cross posting to ARS.
I was making a comment on your stupid post that YOU ORIGINALLY CROSS
POSTED, if you do not want comments from other groups DONT CROSS POST,
ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! Its not MY FAULT you corss posted your
hypocritical crap. Just because *I DONT* cross post to ARS doesnt mean
your crap wont show up on the board *I* am using. IS THAT SO DIFFICULT
TO UNDERSTAND??
I am posting on ARS to respond to your crap you inflicted on the board
*I* read! Next time, dont keep cross posting Brittany's posts if you
want to stop what you call spam! its not that hard to work out for
yourself!!
Peter
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
LMFAO now YOU ARE SPAMMING ARS with your antiscientology crap!! so now
you are SPAMMING/TROLLING A SCIENTOLOGY BOARD with your
ANTISCIENTOLOGY,
IMO i cant think of anything more relevant to be posted on scientology
boards than scientology websites (not that i am saying that is what
Brittany is doing)
YOU ARE the one that is SPAMMING/TROLLING IT. what has scientology
ever done to you? did your wife run off and leave you to join a
scientology cult? are you a psychiatrist that lost his business
because of scientology? live and let live. FFS.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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What’s with the caps? Trying awfully hard to highlight those
particular parts aren’t we? I know it means your shouting by why? It’s
merely a text forum no one can hear, makes you look slightly retarded
if you ask me. |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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On May 3, 2:03 am, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
fuck!there is nothing wrong with love another peson who happens to be
your same gender >_>
-- whats wrong with wanting to find someone to happy with.. not
bothering about if is a girl or a boy |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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On May 3, 3:10 pm, Something <Hats...@live.co.uk> wrote:
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On May 3, 1:28 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On May 3, 10:15 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 mei, 10:52, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On May 3, 9:48 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 mei, 10:41, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On May 3, 9:06 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 mei, 10:03, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
(LifeSiteNews.com) - The eminent Spanish psychiatrist Enrique Rojas
gave a speech yesterday in Buenos Aires declaring that homosexuality
is “a clinical process that has an etiology, pathogeny, treatment, and
cure”. For more go tohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/01/psychiatrist-says-homosexuality-is-a-d...
So? Even among psychiatrists there will be a few idiots and bigots.
Like in your CULT.
Oh, is this the same CULT whose message boards you hang out on?
Hanging out on a message board whose views you are against makes you a
troll. why not hang out on a KKK message boards? why not hang out on
BNP message boards to police them? Oh, is it because you dont have the
time to waste? YOU ARE ON A SCIENTOLOGIST MESSAGE BOARD, what kind of
posts do you expect? Posts about JESUS? get a grip, and get a life. go
police someone elses thoughts.
Pixie, you moron, YOU are the one at the wrong place. This is, like
real message boards (this is not) critical to the CULT. The trolls are
people like you, Tom, Jonathon, Barbara and a few more.
But I am not surprised at all you thought otherwise. Followers of
Hubturd never excelled in an intellectual way.
Peter
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
You dumbass if you noticed i am not posting from ARS, like you are. I
dont follow any Hubturd crap, or know anything about him, however, I
have noticed you ARE posting from ARS, I am not, or dont you know
anything about god damn computers?, i dont know a damn thing about
that shit, has nothing to do with me, the damn thing was cross posted.
clueless, arent you?
So? You ARE posting on ARS. I couldn't care less what other groups you
post to.
If you don't want my responds, stop cross posting to ARS.
I was making a comment on your stupid post that YOU ORIGINALLY CROSS
POSTED, if you do not want comments from other groups DONT CROSS POST,
ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! Its not MY FAULT you corss posted your
hypocritical crap. Just because *I DONT* cross post to ARS doesnt mean
your crap wont show up on the board *I* am using. IS THAT SO DIFFICULT
TO UNDERSTAND??
I am posting on ARS to respond to your crap you inflicted on the board
*I* read! Next time, dont keep cross posting Brittany's posts if you
want to stop what you call spam! its not that hard to work out for
yourself!!
Peter
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
LMFAO now YOU ARE SPAMMING ARS with your antiscientology crap!! so now
you are SPAMMING/TROLLING A SCIENTOLOGY BOARD with your
ANTISCIENTOLOGY,
IMO i cant think of anything more relevant to be posted on scientology
boards than scientology websites (not that i am saying that is what
Brittany is doing)
YOU ARE the one that is SPAMMING/TROLLING IT. what has scientology
ever done to you? did your wife run off and leave you to join a
scientology cult? are you a psychiatrist that lost his business
because of scientology? live and let live. FFS.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What’s with the caps? Trying awfully hard to highlight those
particular parts aren’t we?
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D'UH! *YES*!! Because people miss the OBVIOUS so I make it LARGER for
them to READ!
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IIt’s
merely a text forum no one can hear,
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Are you that STUPID? It is written LARGER so people read it LARGER
because the seem to be missing the OBVIOUS when it is written in LOWER
CASE because they seem to just not be able to god damn read LOWER
CASE or they miss the OBVIOUS so this way they dont need their
GLASSES! dont be so god damn stupid people dont shout INDIVIDUAL words
in a sentence it HIGHLIGHTS them, you really are a fuckwit, wrent you?
No one can hear? are you on DRUGS? next time Usenet lets you post in
ITALLIC let me GOD DAMN KNOW! tosser. |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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On May 3, 8:28 am, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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On May 3, 3:10 pm, Something <Hats...@live.co.uk> wrote:
On May 3, 1:28 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On May 3, 10:15 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 mei, 10:52, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On May 3, 9:48 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 mei, 10:41, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On May 3, 9:06 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 mei, 10:03, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
(LifeSiteNews.com) - The eminent Spanish psychiatrist Enrique Rojas
gave a speech yesterday in Buenos Aires declaring that homosexuality
is “a clinical process that has an etiology, pathogeny, treatment, and
cure”. For more go tohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/01/psychiatrist-says-homosexuality-is-a-d...
So? Even among psychiatrists there will be a few idiots and bigots.
Like in your CULT.
Oh, is this the same CULT whose message boards you hang out on?
Hanging out on a message board whose views you are against makes you a
troll. why not hang out on a KKK message boards? why not hang out on
BNP message boards to police them? Oh, is it because you dont have the
time to waste? YOU ARE ON A SCIENTOLOGIST MESSAGE BOARD, what kind of
posts do you expect? Posts about JESUS? get a grip, and get a life. go
police someone elses thoughts.
Pixie, you moron, YOU are the one at the wrong place. This is, like
real message boards (this is not) critical to the CULT. The trolls are
people like you, Tom, Jonathon, Barbara and a few more.
But I am not surprised at all you thought otherwise. Followers of
Hubturd never excelled in an intellectual way.
Peter
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
You dumbass if you noticed i am not posting from ARS, like you are.. I
dont follow any Hubturd crap, or know anything about him, however, I
have noticed you ARE posting from ARS, I am not, or dont you know
anything about god damn computers?, i dont know a damn thing about
that shit, has nothing to do with me, the damn thing was cross posted.
clueless, arent you?
So? You ARE posting on ARS. I couldn't care less what other groups you
post to.
If you don't want my responds, stop cross posting to ARS.
I was making a comment on your stupid post that YOU ORIGINALLY CROSS
POSTED, if you do not want comments from other groups DONT CROSS POST,
ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! Its not MY FAULT you corss posted your
hypocritical crap. Just because *I DONT* cross post to ARS doesnt mean
your crap wont show up on the board *I* am using. IS THAT SO DIFFICULT
TO UNDERSTAND??
I am posting on ARS to respond to your crap you inflicted on the board
*I* read! Next time, dont keep cross posting Brittany's posts if you
want to stop what you call spam! its not that hard to work out for
yourself!!
Peter
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
LMFAO now YOU ARE SPAMMING ARS with your antiscientology crap!! so now
you are SPAMMING/TROLLING A SCIENTOLOGY BOARD with your
ANTISCIENTOLOGY,
IMO i cant think of anything more relevant to be posted on scientology
boards than scientology websites (not that i am saying that is what
Brittany is doing)
YOU ARE the one that is SPAMMING/TROLLING IT. what has scientology
ever done to you? did your wife run off and leave you to join a
scientology cult? are you a psychiatrist that lost his business
because of scientology? live and let live. FFS.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What’s with the caps? Trying awfully hard to highlight those
particular parts aren’t we?
D'UH! *YES*!! Because people miss the OBVIOUS so I make it LARGER for
them to READ!
IIt’s
merely a text forum no one can hear,
Are you that STUPID? It is written LARGER so people read it LARGER
because the seem to be missing the OBVIOUS when it is written in LOWER
CASE because they seem to just not be able to god damn read LOWER
CASE or they miss the OBVIOUS so this way they dont need their
GLASSES! dont be so god damn stupid people dont shout INDIVIDUAL words
in a sentence it HIGHLIGHTS them, you really are a fuckwit, wrent you?
No one can hear? are you on DRUGS? next time Usenet lets you post in
ITALLIC let me GOD DAMN KNOW! tosser.
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Maybe you should get back in the kitchen and start squirting out kids,
because that's where L. Ron wanted you.
Science of Survival, L. Ron Hubbard, pg 78
"The whole future of the race depends upon its attitude toward
children; and a race which
specializes in women for “menial purposes,” or which believes that the
contest of the sexes in
the spheres of business and politics is a worthier endeavor than the
creation of tomorrow’s
generation, is a race which is dying. We have, in the woman who is an
ambitious rival of the
man in his own activities, a woman who is neglecting the most
important mission she may
have. A society which looks down upon this mission, and in which women
are taught
anything but the management of a family, the care of men, and the
creation of the future
generation, is a society which is on its way out. The historian can
peg the point where a
society begins its sharpest decline at the instant when women begin to
take part, on an equal
footing with men, in political and business affairs; since this means
that the men are decadent
and the women are no longer women." |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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On 3 May, 13:15, LaserClam <LaserC...@aol.com> wrote:
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On May 3, 8:11 am, "Hell's Angel" <hells.angel....@hotmail.co.uk
wrote:
Regarding being gay, NASA made an experiment putting mice in a big
space with no food and they would kill each other for the food while
if you put them in a space with enough food but not enough space they
would mate between the same sex.
So, a higher percentage of homosexuality would occur in
countries like India and China and higher incidence of violence would
occur in South America and Africa?
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There are more gays in Europe and the States because they are "allowed
to be" I don't think it is only frown upon to be gay in India and
China.
And the more violence in SA and A could be and it is for the lack of
resources along with the carter and guerrillas. The mices in NASA
didn't not have a dictator, or aparghait or any other kind of
political influence. |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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On 3 May, 13:15, LaserClam <LaserC...@aol.com> wrote:
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On May 3, 8:11 am, "Hell's Angel" <hells.angel....@hotmail.co.uk
wrote:
Regarding being gay, NASA made an experiment putting mice in a big
space with no food and they would kill each other for the food while
if you put them in a space with enough food but not enough space they
would mate between the same sex.
So, a higher percentage of homosexuality would occur in
countries like India and China and higher incidence of violence would
occur in South America and Africa?
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The Earth is overpopulated |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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On 3 May, 14:40, LSD <mydirtytinywo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On May 3, 2:03 am, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
(LifeSiteNews.com) - The eminent Spanish psychiatrist Enrique Rojas
gave a speech yesterday in Buenos Aires declaring that homosexuality
is “a clinical process that has an etiology, pathogeny, treatment, and
cure”. For more go tohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/01/psychiatrist-says-homosexuality-is-a-d...
fuck!there is nothing wrong with love another peson who happens to be
your same gender >_
-- whats wrong with wanting to find someone to happy with.. not
bothering about if is a girl or a boy
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It is not wrong to be gay, but the continuity of the species relies in
heterosexual mating. If everybody was gay, we would be extinct in this
generation. It is normal that they want scientist want to find a
reason. |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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I agree - homosexuality IS a disease of the soul, physical, spiritual
and emotional...
It can be cured.
I believe it to fall under the obsessive / addictive side of mental
illness. |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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IMO - if a woman wants to be gay, she's either a fucking dog or hasn't
had good enough dick.
Or both.
The NASA thing...
Interesting, Thanks Sonia. |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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On May 3, 12:19 pm, Saccade <peter.aus...@lycos.co.uk> wrote:
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I agree - homosexuality IS a disease of the soul, physical, spiritual
and emotional...
It can be cured.
I believe it to fall under the obsessive / addictive side of mental
illness.
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Are you a homophobic by any chance? Just where are you getting this
information from? at APA I suppose? Homosexuality is NOT a mental
illness nor a disease of the soul. |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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On 3 May, 16:42, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
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On May 3, 12:19 pm, Saccade <peter.aus...@lycos.co.uk> wrote:
I agree - homosexuality IS a disease of the soul, physical, spiritual
and emotional...
It can be cured.
I believe it to fall under the obsessive / addictive side of mental
illness.
Are you a homophobic by any chance? Just where are you getting this
information from? at APA I suppose? Homosexuality is NOT a mental
illness nor a disease of the soul.
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I don't agree with Saccade but I haven't met a gay person that is not
a pervert ill willed and envidious, maybe they stil are not accepted
and when it happens they will be better people, but as for
now............ |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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On May 3, 12:19 pm, Saccade <peter.aus...@lycos.co.uk> wrote:
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I agree - homosexuality IS a disease of the soul, physical, spiritual
and emotional...
It can be cured.
I believe it to fall under the obsessive / addictive side of mental
illness.
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Actually, it has been a few DECADES since homosexuality was considered
to be a mental disorder:
(Excerpt from: Psychology's sexual dis-orientation, by MIT
Psychologist Gerald E. Zuriff, Ph.D):
"DIAGNOSING HOMOSEXUALITY
In 1952 the American Psychiatric Association formalized its system of
diagnosis and published the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of
Mental Disorders (DSM). Today, a DSM listing has practical
consequences; whether treatment for a problem is paid for by health
insurance companies or a psychological problem qualifies as a
disability under various laws often depends on whether it is listed in
DSM.
Not surprisingly, given the psychoanalytic theory shared by most
clinicians, the DSM listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder.
Interestingly, it was classified as a sociopathic personality
disturbance, meaning that the diagnosis could be made purely on the
basis of the homosexuality alone, despite the absence of subjectively
experienced distress. In the 1968 revision of the DSM, homosexuality
was still included as a disorder but classified more descriptively
under "sexual deviations" along with disorders such as fetishism and
pedophilia. What followed is unprecedented in the annals of medicine.
The publication of DSMII coincided with the founding of a militant gay
liberation movement whose goals included the normalization of
homosexuality as a legitimate "lifestyle." Gay activists mounted a
furious attack on the American Psychiatric Association for designating
homosexuality a disease. Their most effective form of protest
consisted of demonstrations at several professional conventions, most
critically the 1970 disruptions in San Francisco. Over the next three
years, the association was forced to reconsider not only the inclusion
of homosexuality in DSMII but also the entire conceptual basis for
defining a mental disorder.
The gay liberation movement considered the psychiatric designation of
homosexuality a major basis for antihomosexual attitudes in American
society. It justified a wide variety of antihomosexual legislation,
ranging from laws barring homosexuals from immigrating to the United
States or serving in the military to regulations in New York requiring
homosexual taxicab drivers to undergo semiannual psychiatric
examinations. In a broader sense, the designation reinforced the
prevalent attitude that homosexuality is an "illness." According to
the activists, this stigmatization not only justified bigotry but also
caused gay men and lesbians to turn against themselves in self-hatred.
The DSMII diagnosis was seen as a societal attempt to control human
sexuality under the guise of a medical diagnosis.
After intense lobbying and debate, in December 1973, the Board of
Trustees passed the proposal to remove homosexuality from DSMII.
Because of the sharp disagreements within psychiatry, however, the
board, as a compromise, replaced homosexuality with "sexual
orientation disturbance" for "individuals whose sexual interests are
directed primarily toward people of the same sex and who are either
disturbed by, in conflict with, or wish to change their sexual
orientation." This compromise allowed homosexuality to be dropped as a
disorder, giving the gay lobby what it wanted, and, at the same time,
it allowed psychiatrists to treat homosexuality under the new
diagnosis.
The board's decision unleashed a storm of counterprotest from many
psychiatrists. Opponents saw the board's decision as a capitulation to
gay activism rather than a reasoned judgment based on medical
evidence. They forced the leadership to submit its decision to a
referendum of the organization's membership. After an intense
campaign, of the approximately ten thousand votes cast, the proposal
passed with 58 percent. In retrospect, it seems shocking that the
question of whether a condition is a psychiatric disorder should be
decided by a vote, but a closer look at the debate indicates that a
vote is not as strange as it seems...
THE POLITICS OF HOMOSEXUALITY
Thus, the decision whether homosexuality is a psychopathology is
really a social-cultural question rather than a scientific one, and
settling the matter by debate and a vote is not as bizarre as it
initially appears. Scientific studies may inform the discussion, but
the final decision must be a societal value judgment. Accordingly, the
continuing controversy in the mental health profession over this issue
merely reflects the cultural divergences in our wider society over
homosexuality, and politics within the profession have been critical
in every stage of this debate.
With the decision voted upon, homosexuality was dropped in the seventh
printing of DSMII, and "sexual orientation disturbance" was
substituted. In DSMIII, further refinements were introduced. First,
"sexual orientation disturbance" was replaced with "ego-dystonic
homosexuality" as a term to diagnose clients persistently distressed
by their homosexuality and wishing to have heterosexual relationships.
This change clarified that only homosexuals were intended and
emphasized the impairment in heterosexual functioning. Second, the
stated causes of this disorder consisted of the negative attitudes of
society toward homosexuality and/or desire for heterosexual life of
family and children. Thus, contrary to psychoanalytic theory, the
causes were presented as entirely social rather than internal
conflicts or family dynamics.
Eventually, even this revised compromise was opposed. Critics charged
that the new terminology singled out only homosexuality as an
orientation that might lead to distress. Second, it suggested that
homosexuality itself can still be considered a disorder rather than a
normal variant of human sexuality. Third, it failed to recognize that
in the United States, almost all people who are homosexual normally
pass through a phase in which their homosexuality is ego-dystonic.
Consequently, yet another compromise was devised. In DSMII-Revised,
even ego-dystonic homosexuality was omitted. Clients with a
"persistent and marked distress about sexual orientation" would now be
diagnosed with "sexual disorder not otherwise specified." The term
homosexuality no longer appeared..." |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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On May 3, 1:02 pm, New Life <Me2Trul...@aol.com> wrote:
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On May 3, 12:19 pm, Saccade <peter.aus...@lycos.co.uk> wrote:
I agree - homosexuality IS a disease of the soul, physical, spiritual
and emotional...
It can be cured.
I believe it to fall under the obsessive / addictive side of mental
illness.
Actually, it has been a few DECADES since homosexuality was considered
to be a mental disorder:
(Excerpt from: Psychology's sexual dis-orientation, by MIT
Psychologist Gerald E. Zuriff, Ph.D):
"DIAGNOSING HOMOSEXUALITY
In 1952 the American Psychiatric Association formalized its system of
diagnosis and published the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of
Mental Disorders (DSM). Today, a DSM listing has practical
consequences; whether treatment for a problem is paid for by health
insurance companies or a psychological problem qualifies as a
disability under various laws often depends on whether it is listed in
DSM.
Not surprisingly, given the psychoanalytic theory shared by most
clinicians, the DSM listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder.
Interestingly, it was classified as a sociopathic personality
disturbance, meaning that the diagnosis could be made purely on the
basis of the homosexuality alone, despite the absence of subjectively
experienced distress. In the 1968 revision of the DSM, homosexuality
was still included as a disorder but classified more descriptively
under "sexual deviations" along with disorders such as fetishism and
pedophilia. What followed is unprecedented in the annals of medicine.
The publication of DSMII coincided with the founding of a militant gay
liberation movement whose goals included the normalization of
homosexuality as a legitimate "lifestyle." Gay activists mounted a
furious attack on the American Psychiatric Association for designating
homosexuality a disease. Their most effective form of protest
consisted of demonstrations at several professional conventions, most
critically the 1970 disruptions in San Francisco. Over the next three
years, the association was forced to reconsider not only the inclusion
of homosexuality in DSMII but also the entire conceptual basis for
defining a mental disorder.
The gay liberation movement considered the psychiatric designation of
homosexuality a major basis for antihomosexual attitudes in American
society. It justified a wide variety of antihomosexual legislation,
ranging from laws barring homosexuals from immigrating to the United
States or serving in the military to regulations in New York requiring
homosexual taxicab drivers to undergo semiannual psychiatric
examinations. In a broader sense, the designation reinforced the
prevalent attitude that homosexuality is an "illness." According to
the activists, this stigmatization not only justified bigotry but also
caused gay men and lesbians to turn against themselves in self-hatred.
The DSMII diagnosis was seen as a societal attempt to control human
sexuality under the guise of a medical diagnosis.
After intense lobbying and debate, in December 1973, the Board of
Trustees passed the proposal to remove homosexuality from DSMII.
Because of the sharp disagreements within psychiatry, however, the
board, as a compromise, replaced homosexuality with "sexual
orientation disturbance" for "individuals whose sexual interests are
directed primarily toward people of the same sex and who are either
disturbed by, in conflict with, or wish to change their sexual
orientation." This compromise allowed homosexuality to be dropped as a
disorder, giving the gay lobby what it wanted, and, at the same time,
it allowed psychiatrists to treat homosexuality under the new
diagnosis.
The board's decision unleashed a storm of counterprotest from many
psychiatrists. Opponents saw the board's decision as a capitulation to
gay activism rather than a reasoned judgment based on medical
evidence. They forced the leadership to submit its decision to a
referendum of the organization's membership. After an intense
campaign, of the approximately ten thousand votes cast, the proposal
passed with 58 percent. In retrospect, it seems shocking that the
question of whether a condition is a psychiatric disorder should be
decided by a vote, but a closer look at the debate indicates that a
vote is not as strange as it seems...
THE POLITICS OF HOMOSEXUALITY
Thus, the decision whether homosexuality is a psychopathology is
really a social-cultural question rather than a scientific one, and
settling the matter by debate and a vote is not as bizarre as it
initially appears. Scientific studies may inform the discussion, but
the final decision must be a societal value judgment. Accordingly, the
continuing controversy in the mental health profession over this issue
merely reflects the cultural divergences in our wider society over
homosexuality, and politics within the profession have been critical
in every stage of this debate.
With the decision voted upon, homosexuality was dropped in the seventh
printing of DSMII, and "sexual orientation disturbance" was
substituted. In DSMIII, further refinements were introduced. First,
"sexual orientation disturbance" was replaced with "ego-dystonic
homosexuality" as a term to diagnose clients persistently distressed
by their homosexuality and wishing to have heterosexual relationships.
This change clarified that only homosexuals were intended and
emphasized the impairment in heterosexual functioning. Second, the
stated causes of this disorder consisted of the negative attitudes of
society toward homosexuality and/or desire for heterosexual life of
family and children. Thus, contrary to psychoanalytic theory, the
causes were presented as entirely social rather than internal
conflicts or family dynamics.
Eventually, even this revised compromise was opposed. Critics charged
that the new terminology singled out only homosexuality as an
orientation that might lead to distress. Second, it suggested that
homosexuality itself can still be considered a disorder rather than a
normal variant of human sexuality. Third, it failed to recognize that
in the United States, almost all people who are homosexual normally
pass through a phase in which their homosexuality is ego-dystonic.
Consequently, yet another compromise was devised. In DSMII-Revised,
even ego-dystonic homosexuality was omitted. Clients with a
"persistent and marked distress about sexual orientation" would now be
diagnosed with "sexual disorder not otherwise specified." The term
homosexuality no longer appeared..."
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Being a gay is either a mental disorder or a genetic mutation.
Regardless, the gays cannot control being attracted to the same gender
and repulsed by the opposite, just like pedophiles can't control being
attracted to kids. |
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: The sexual pervert (and by this term dianetics, to be brief, |
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Check it out !
'The combinations of the classes and aspects of psycho-somatic
illness
listed and described here lead to some highly complex situations. It
is a scientific fact that no psychosomatic ill exists without an
aberration. And it is true that no aberration exists without a
potential or actual psycho-somatic ill. One of the psycho-somatic
illnesses one would least expect to find as a psycho-somatic affair
is
the illness of sexual perversion.
The sexual pervert (and by this term dianetics, to be brief,includes
any and all forms of deviation in Dynamic II such as homosexuality,
lesbianism, sexual sadism, etc. and all down the catalogue of Ellis
and Krafft-Ebing) is actually quite ill physically. Perversion as an
illness has so many manifestations that it must be spread through the
entire gamut of classes from (1) to (5) above. Over-development of
sexual organs, underdevelopment, seminal inhibition or magnification,
etc. are found some in one pervert, some in another. And the sum of
it
is that the pervert is always a very ill person in one way or
another,
whether he is conscious of it or not. He is very far from culpable
for
his condition, but he is also so far from normal and so extremely
dangerous to society that the tolerance of perversion is as
thoroughly
bad for society as punishment for it.
Lacking proper means prior to this time, society has been caught
between tolerance and punishment, and the problem of perversion
has,of
course, not been resolved. A bit off the subject here, but it can be
remarked about perversion that the best previous explanation for it
was something about girls becoming envious of Papa's penis or boys
becoming upset about that terrible thing, the vulva, which Mama was
incautious enough to show one day. It takes a great deal more than
this utter tripe to make a pervert.
It is, rather, something on the order of kicking a baby's head in,
running over him with a steam roller, cutting him in half with a
rusty
knife, boiling him in lysol and all the while with crazy people
screaming the most horrifying and unprintable things at him. The
human
being is a very tough character. He is so confoundedly tough that he
has whipped the whole animal kingdom and he can shake the stars. And
when it comes to throwing his second dynamic out of balance, what
that
takes is straight out of Dante and Sax Rohmer combined. Hence the
pervert, containing hundreds and hundreds of vicious engrams,has had
little choice between being dead and being a pervert. But with an
effective science to handle the problem, a society which would
continue to endure perversion and all its sad and sordid effects
doesn't deserve to survive."
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Psychiatrist Says Homosexuality is a Disorder that Can b |
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On May 3, 4:28 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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On May 3, 3:10 pm, Something <Hats...@live.co.uk> wrote:
On May 3, 1:28 pm, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On May 3, 10:15 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 mei, 10:52, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On May 3, 9:48 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 mei, 10:41, Pixie <pixiestickspi...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On May 3, 9:06 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 mei, 10:03, Brittany <Britt...@badpsych.com> wrote:
(LifeSiteNews.com) - The eminent Spanish psychiatrist Enrique Rojas
gave a speech yesterday in Buenos Aires declaring that homosexuality
is “a clinical process that has an etiology, pathogeny, treatment, and
cure”. For more go tohttp://badpsych.com/2008/05/01/psychiatrist-says-homosexuality-is-a-d...
So? Even among psychiatrists there will be a few idiots and bigots.
Like in your CULT.
Oh, is this the same CULT whose message boards you hang out on?
Hanging out on a message board whose views you are against makes you a
troll. why not hang out on a KKK message boards? why not hang out on
BNP message boards to police them? Oh, is it because you dont have the
time to waste? YOU ARE ON A SCIENTOLOGIST MESSAGE BOARD, what kind of
posts do you expect? Posts about JESUS? get a grip, and get a life. go
police someone elses thoughts.
Pixie, you moron, YOU are the one at the wrong place. This is, like
real message boards (this is not) critical to the CULT. The trolls are
people like you, Tom, Jonathon, Barbara and a few more.
But I am not surprised at all you thought otherwise. Followers of
Hubturd never excelled in an intellectual way.
Peter
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
You dumbass if you noticed i am not posting from ARS, like you are.. I
dont follow any Hubturd crap, or know anything about him, however, I
have noticed you ARE posting from ARS, I am not, or dont you know
anything about god damn computers?, i dont know a damn thing about
that shit, has nothing to do with me, the damn thing was cross posted.
clueless, arent you?
So? You ARE posting on ARS. I couldn't care less what other groups you
post to.
If you don't want my responds, stop cross posting to ARS.
I was making a comment on your stupid post that YOU ORIGINALLY CROSS
POSTED, if you do not want comments from other groups DONT CROSS POST,
ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! Its not MY FAULT you corss posted your
hypocritical crap. Just because *I DONT* cross post to ARS doesnt mean
your crap wont show up on the board *I* am using. IS THAT SO DIFFICULT
TO UNDERSTAND??
I am posting on ARS to respond to your crap you inflicted on the board
*I* read! Next time, dont keep cross posting Brittany's posts if you
want to stop what you call spam! its not that hard to work out for
yourself!!
Peter
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
LMFAO now YOU ARE SPAMMING ARS with your antiscientology crap!! so now
you are SPAMMING/TROLLING A SCIENTOLOGY BOARD with your
ANTISCIENTOLOGY,
IMO i cant think of anything more relevant to be posted on scientology
boards than scientology websites (not that i am saying that is what
Brittany is doing)
YOU ARE the one that is SPAMMING/TROLLING IT. what has scientology
ever done to you? did your wife run off and leave you to join a
scientology cult? are you a psychiatrist that lost his business
because of scientology? live and let live. FFS.- Hide quoted text -
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What’s with the caps? Trying awfully hard to highlight those
particular parts aren’t we?
D'UH! *YES*!! Because people miss the OBVIOUS so I make it LARGER for
them to READ!
IIt’s
merely a text forum no one can hear,
Are you that STUPID? It is written LARGER so people read it LARGER
because the seem to be missing the OBVIOUS when it is written in LOWER
CASE because they seem to just not be able to god damn read LOWER
CASE or they miss the OBVIOUS so this way they dont need their
GLASSES! dont be so god damn stupid people dont shout INDIVIDUAL words
in a sentence it HIGHLIGHTS them, you really are a fuckwit, wrent you?
No one can hear? are you on DRUGS? next time Usenet lets you post in
ITALLIC let me GOD DAMN KNOW! tosser.- Hide quoted text -
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Way to go clever girl
Keep spouting your worthless comments around, i can only laugh at you. |
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